A few years ago I noticed that my upper lip had spots and splotches of white, or off color parts. I have kind of dismissed it over the years, but have noticed it since I've been applying Trireduction to my lips every evening while in front of a mirror. It looks like hypopigmentation, but I'm not sure what it could be from. Could it be from chapstick/lip balm that I used to use every day?

Anyhow, I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced such a thing, and what products they used to successfully resolve the issue. Should I use something like LacSal on my lip? Or should Trireduction by itself help reduce/eliminate the issue over time?

I've also wondered if it the splotches could have been caused by acid/bacteria in my mouth from not seeing a dentist for three years (out of ignorance). I drank Mountain Dew like it was water, and only brushed once per day. I have since had multiple fillings done by my dentist, so my mouth is now normal; yet, my upper lip still has white/off color patches. Actually, The off color patch covers a good portion of my lip, almost consistent from one side to the other, but there are white dots that form at the top of it and kind of fade out to the very top of my upper lip - if that makes sense.

As a side note, my lips seem to be more plump, and the color of my lips (aside from off-pigmented area on upper lip) looks more youthful; so thanks for that.

It could just be vitiligo. It can just 'happen'.

Hypopigmentation is rough to correct. I have a few 2mm spots on my chest from sundamage that I am tracking.

Hm, thanks for responding. I'm not sure if I'm seeing things or not, but it looks like the white patchiness is peeling off at the bottom part of my upper lip. o.O

The white areas are probably de-pigmented scar tissue that has been pushed up from below. Not all scar tissue has color. White scars often occur.

Just treat the mark like a regular blemish.

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The white areas are probably de-pigmented scar tissue that has been pushed up from below. Not all scar tissue has color. White scars often occur.

Just treat the mark like a regular blemish.

Thanks for responding, Dr. Pickart! So, do you think it would it be a good idea to use hydroxy acids on my lip?

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Hello Sanguine,

You may not need to exfoliate the lips. For the most part the majority of clients using products on the lips find the natural loss of dead skin cells in this area to be sufficient on its own.

Excessive methods of abrasion/exfoliation in the lip area can cause dryness and chapped lips.

To accelerate skin cell turnover in this area, perhaps you can try a gentle method of abrasion such as a microdermabrasion cloth.

In this thread, Dr. Pickart says that you can use HA (hydroxy acids) on your lips if you want:
https://healthyskin.infopop.cc/...390030223#9390030223

Best Wishes
~The SkinBio Team

Good point Skin Bio!

My lips are still chapped and flaky from my 40% lactic acid peel on Sunday! And the rest of my face/body couldn't even tell a difference (other than nice smoothness).

So I will probably just go back to CPs. Though I did dermaroller them...

I have never & would never use a strong acid on my lips. But do use a milder daily like LacSal on them several times a week. Same with eyes.

While I will apply a strong peel closer to the outer corner - crows feet area, I do NOT apply directly under or over. The skin is very thin & much more fragile than the rest of the face.

Manual exfoliation using microdermabrasion cloths and/or scrubs works very well on the lips leaving them smooth... ...Never rolled there either, but that would definitely plump them a little from the microswelling. Did you notice plumping Oskyz? I occasionally ROLL around the lips to keep those lines from creeping in...CPs will help skin recovery & the Tin-Peptide nail treatment makes a killer lip balm.

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Hi Stoney,

When I first rolled they were definitely plumper.

Thought it could be a good pre-photo op trick. But lousy for pre-date because of the germ potential with the open holes. Beyond that they are the same thickness so far. But it's only been 3 months.

On the other hand, I will say that Carol Maggio's lip exercises are what gives the appearance of plumping. Worth the $15 book for that alone. It's very feminine, not masculine at all at all. Llike the muscles are trained to do a very subtle pout that just makes your lips look naturally fuller.

I think this is important - I think with age your lips don't just thin from less fat, I think the muscles atrophy. The lips really have a lot of muscle associated with them. So I recommend it, even if just to prevent. Plus the lip stretches she has keeps the lips from shriveling in and forming those lips.

You and Maxx keep talking about those tin peptides. Soon I will check them out, very good to know! Will my folligen for blondes work as a lip balm?

I did roll around the lips for the same prevention. BUt I really needed lidocaine, it hurt!!

Yes Oskyz, I have been doing Maggio's little lip exercise too. I think that is the one that Sweets does?...Also doing her eye lift...BOTH are easy & effective!

Don't really know all that much about the Tin Peptides other than I LUV the nail cream & use it in a variety of ways. I will use on my lips like a balm through the winter months to prevent chapping.

I don't think Tin Peptides have the rejuvenation qualities of CPs, but may be beneficial for maintaining & keeping the outer layer of the skin soft & smooth...so I not only on my nails, but also on my eyes & lips...

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Originally posted by Dr. Pickart:
The white areas are probably de-pigmented scar tissue that has been pushed up from below. Not all scar tissue has color. White scars often occur.

Just treat the mark like a regular blemish.

Thanks for responding, Dr. Pickart! So, do you think it would it be a good idea to use hydroxy acids on my lip?

There are lip care products built hydroxy acids. You could try Lactic Power Cream 10 or LacSal Cream on your lips. But use it lightly.

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I don't see why the FFB wouldn't work for Lips, eyes, hands etc. Its Tin Peptide based and the ingredient list is almost identical to the Nail Cream.

I've only used the FFB on the Fingernails and it does work although I don't know how it compares to the Nail Cream.

After reading Dr. Pickarts response and Stoneys comments about using Tin Peptides on Lips and Eyes I started a day or so ago. What I am doing is using a CP based serum with the FFB on top at night. Going to start it on the hands, over Super CP Serum in the Evening, but the FFB supply is low so its down the road a few weeks.

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Originally posted by stoney:
Yes Oskyz, I have been doing Maggio's little lip exercise too. I think that is the one that Sweets does?...Also doing her eye lift...BOTH are easy & effective!

A good - easy, effective all-in-one exercise for you gals!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...AJ0w&feature=related


Ooops and Maxx if he so desires...
Hugs - Sweets

I like this Sweets! Similar to what I do- except I keep my mouth stretched (out of fear of lip lines from puckering.) But I normally close it (Carol Maggio) and I like having it opened.

Boy youtube has a ton. Check this one out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...4A&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Author of facial yoga. I wasn't as big on her 1st one in the video, but I liked the rest.

Maxx, this one is for you maybe - one of them is for NL lines and you truly can feel that muscle being isolated. Not sure if impact on a 'scar' type of attachment of course.

Thanks for posting.

And there is no question in my mind that my lips look fuller and more supple after 3 months do to the exercises. I just can't say they are any plumper through new subq fat that Stoney asked about, but I'm sure that would take much longer. I need to keep that ss cream by my bed. I put it on then drink water otherwise, am likely washing it off.

Sweets and Oskyzz thanks Got em bookmarked.

I can't say I've really gotten back into the facial exercises yet other then dabbling. The Blemish rejuvenation seems like a second job by itself and its my priority right now.

One thing I do like about the facial exercises that I've posted before is the fullness from the exercises does a very good job of mimicking SuQ Fat.

Oskyzz. I've got small bottles/jars of Super CP, Trireduction and FFB that I keep at Bedside. Hands, Lips and Nails get treated at Bedtime. I found if treat any earlier its almost impossible to keep from washing off the CP's form washing hands, eating, drinking etc.

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Originally posted by MaxxC:
The blemish rejuvenation seems like a second job by itself and its my priority right now.

Ditto Maxx...

Hey Sweets, Thanks for posting the "pucker & smile" link...yes, similar to Maggio's.

This MUST be the one you do while stopped at red lights. So after voting today I was waiting for my husband in the car when he ran into an acquaintance (still hiding a little) & decided to try.

A little self-conscious at first until I saw the lady next to me get in her car, close the door then pucker... ...I thought I must be out of touch with these easy on the go car exercises until I saw her put a cigarette into her puckered lips.

Then realized how contorted & silly she actually looked as she puffed away. That cured from others possibly seeing me "pucker & smile" at the same time...LOL

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Hey Stoney - She was causing lines and you were lifting lines. I like this exercise better than any of CM's. I think it does double duty plus I really feel and see rather immediate results..
For that reason Maxx - you should get on our goofy face bandwagon - it's easy to fit in with just one exercise - maybe 15 seconds per go. I try to do it 3X per day.

I am always doing silly stuff in my car - my kids get a hoot. At this point I think they almost like it - "Mom's little eccentricity."

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Hi Sweets and Stoney,

Too funny I do mine in the car also! Too bad most required the hands because it's more obvious at a stop light.

I'm like Sweets, here there, whenever I can fit them in. I have noticed that when I do them at night and the next morning, that full day is much better. I don't usually get 2/day, but it is ideal.

Still need to find time to study these new ones. There really is a learning curve.

Did you see that woman that claimed to be almost 70? For the first time ever, I wondered if a woman was claiming to be OLDER than she really was. She looked amazing.

I notice these older face exercise women that look great can have huskier voices. Do our voices lower with age? (not to sound ignorance here, but I am on this one).

Yes, I would have to agree Oskyz...she looks amazing for her age.

On the deeper voice, I think it is common for it to become raspier for some people with age. Smokers really get the scratchy voice.

My Mom has a handful of older Sisters though(80's & 90's) & she always comments that when she speaks to one of them on the phone, that overwhelmingly MOST still sound like teenagers. Only one smoker, but is still kicking having battled cancer twice...

Not a single one of them is willing to go down without hanging on by their fingernails and living life to the fullest. That is what I LUV so much about family...no time to give up or regress...very inspiring!

Now, on the woman in the facial exercise video...I viewed her more as the seductress...LOL... She may have developed some of the rasp for a little bit of sultry allure...think of Ginger – Gilligan's Island. I know others closer to her age with that same voice.

She does look AMAZING for being almost 70...Get to work Girls...and Boys!...

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I viewed her more as the seductress.

Mega-Cougar. She has 4 video's on Youtube. The one that kind of looks dark, I began to watch and about 60 seconds in turned it off. Had a homemade porn feel.

I was kind of worried where that video might be going. I have to do full body assessments on patients and I've endured the agony of having to look at more 70 year old breasts then one man should have to endure. At least I get paid to do that.

Looking at her, the 'sexy 70' year old Vegetarian and some other 60 plus hotties that facial exercise. I would say the lesson to be learned is exercise and take care of the neck with the same vigor used on the face. They could all pass for sexy women 20-25 years younger but the neck is a giveaway. Still I have to admit they all look fabulous.