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Location: Australia
Registered: 07 January 2007
Posts: 21
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Dear Dr. Pickart,
Since I'm hooked with your product and your website. I've been following your recommendation on supplements.

I'm 32 yrs old female with asian background.

I have been taking :
Morning :
breakfast my Isowhey shakes with banana
Alpha Lipoic Acid 200mg
MSM 1,5 g
Vit A 10,000 IU
Bio E Repel with tocomin 400 IU
EPO 1 g
OMEGA 3 2 g
L- Glutamine 1500 g
DHEA 6x homoeopathic one tablet
Vit C 1000mg
Garlic 1000mg
CoQ10 150mg

Lunch : Omega 3 2g
EPO 1g
Vit C 500mg
Garlic 1000mg

Afternoon : Omega 3 2g
EPO 1g
Vit C 500mg

Before Bed : Ultra Zinc 46mg

My question is is it okay to take that much supplement in the morning?
Or I should break them up more during the day?

I have occasional breakouts, lots of white heads in my face, itchy and scaly scalp.
And yes I'm also Skin Bio's product loyal user.
People tell my I don't look my age.
Sometimes I have a mild anxiety.

Your advice on this will be much appreciated.

Thank you Dr. Pickart
Location: Australia
Registered: 07 January 2007
Posts: 21
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Sorry Dr.P, I also take MSM 1,5g for lunch and afternoon.
Thank you
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Location: U.A.E
Registered: 09 January 2007
Posts: 79
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I don't know what Dr.Pickart has to say.It looks you are taking too much zink, you need to supplement your diet with extra copper,copper glycinate or copper amino acid chelate at different time of the day.
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Location: Skin Biology
Registered: 15 September 2004
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Yes, the 46 mgs of zinc looks rather high. Too much zinc will drive out the copper. In general, the recommended ratio of zinc to copper intake is 7 to 1.

Nat Clin Pract Neurol. 2009 Feb;5(2):106-11.Click here to read Links
When metals compete: a case of copper-deficiency myeloneuropathy and anemia.
Spain RI, Leist TP, De Sousa EA.

Thomas Jefferson University, PA, USA. spainr@ohsu.edu

BACKGROUND: A 47-year-old woman with an otherwise unremarkable medical history was referred to the multiple sclerosis clinic by her primary neurologist for evaluation of a 2-3 year history of progressive knee and back pain, weakness, paresthesias, sensory loss, ataxia, and falls. During the same period, she had received blood transfusions for unexplained anemia and leukopenia. She had been wearing dentures for many years. INVESTIGATIONS: Physical examination, neurological examinations (assessments of reflexes, gait, proprioception, and sensitivity to temperature, pinprick and vibration), neurophysiological studies (visual and brainstem somatosensory evoked potentials, nerve conduction studies and electromyography), T(2)-weighted MRI of the brain and spine, cerebrospinal fluid analysis and serum evaluations. DIAGNOSIS: Myeloneuropathy and anemia due to copper deficiency, secondary to zinc overload associated with long-term use of denture cream with a high zinc content. MANAGEMENT: Change to a low-zinc denture cream and oral copper replacement.
Location: Australia
Registered: 07 January 2007
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Dear Dr. Pickart,
The Zinc that I took contains:
zinc as amino acid chelate 20mg
as gluconate 13mg
as citrate dihydrate 13mg
magnesium as amino acid chelate 20mg
vitamin B6 20mg
retinyl acetate 534mcg
Is this still too much? Should I stop taking them altogether? :Wh???:

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Originally posted by Dr. Pickart:
My Diet

Breakfast - Yogurt with Probiotic Bacteria, coffee with 1% fat milk

Plus Costco multivitamin, acetyl carnithine, alpha lipoic acid, choline inositol, CoQ10, vinpocetine, chelated copper, green tea extract, SAM-e - wash down capsules with pomegranate juice

Lunch - A sandwich and some fruit (blueberries, cherries, grapes, etc)

Dinner - Wine, salad or vegetable, usually some seafood or meat, occasional bread. A lot of French and Italian food.

Plus Resveratrol, bentoiamine, calcium + magnesium, Blueberry plus pomegranate extract, DHEA, vitamin D, glucosamine, MSM, salmon oil, borage oil - wash down capsules with orange juice

I have genetically low HDL and take anti-lipidemic agents. My last total cholesterol was 116.

I probably don't need all the supplements and urge everyone to take supplements with caution. But every scientist that I know who studies aging also takes many supplements.

Dr. Pickart just wondering, is it okay to take most of supplement in the morning at one go? Or do I have to break it up like you do?

Because you took alpha lipoic , CoQ10 in the morning and DHEA, salmon oil, borage oil, MSM at dinner time.

And I noticed how you say wash down the capsule with juice. Is it for the body to digest easier?

Sorry if I ask too much Dr.P, I want to look like you when I'm 70 :em:
Thank you Dr.Pickart
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Location: Skin Biology
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Try dropping the first list of items that includes the zinc.

The Costco multivitamin,multimineral is very good. I use that brands.
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Registered: 30 March 2008
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I like Dr. Taub's Natures Code Vitamin Pack. It now includes 50 mg of ALA so I don't have to buy this seperately anymore.

It offers different formulations for men & women both over & under 50. My husband's pack has 40mg of zinc & 2mg copper. Mine has only 15 mg zinc but is higher in calcium. I will continue to take the women under 50 pack for now since I like to include Coral Calcium which has a high magnesium content into my daily mix. The over 50 pack has more calcium & I don't want to over do. By doing this I will forever be a woman under 50... Wink...

I will just have to check though to make sure 18mg of iron is not too much... Confused?...
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Well regarding iron,

My own Mother said to "give it up" & move the the next level of vitamins without the iron. I thought that since I do not eat meat that it wouldn't hurt, but since I do eat a lot of legumes, I probably don't need the extra iron any more.

Oh well, I tried!... Big Grin
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People who don't eat meat often have very low levels of carnitine which is needed for good energy production.

But you can take supplements of carnitine. 500 mgs to 1 gram daily should work.
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Originally posted by stoney:
I like Dr. Taub's Natures Code Vitamin Pack. It now includes 50 mg of ALA so I don't have to buy this seperately anymore.

It offers different formulations for men & women both over & under 50. My husband's pack has 40mg of zinc & 2mg copper. Mine has only 15 mg zinc but is higher in calcium. I will continue to take the women under 50 pack for now since I like to include Coral Calcium which has a high magnesium content into my daily mix. The over 50 pack has more calcium & I don't want to over do. By doing this I will forever be a woman under 50... Wink...

I will just have to check though to make sure 18mg of iron is not too much... Confused?...


The zinc to copper ratio looks way too high. A good way to speed aging.

18 mgs of iron looks high but veggies often lack adequate minerals.

Many now are of the opinion that calcium and magnesium should be about equal in formulas. People in Finland have a 4 to 1 intake ratio of calcium to magnesium and also the highest heart disease rate in the world.
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Yes, I've read that regarding low levels of carnitine in vegetarians & added it about 3 yrs. ago mostly for brain function. It is a blend of 800 mg L-Carnitine & 200mg Acetyl-L Carnitine HCL.

On the zinc, I also give my husband 3mg copper every other day which is what I take too. So he gets 40mg daily & 5 mg copper every other day. Is that still too high? You have to wonder why they put such a high level into the blend? I think I will contact Dr. Taub directly with my concern. I am assuming 15 mg zinc is okay for me?

I mentioned to my husband that I may be aging him quicker by giving him too much zinc which is in his formula & he instanly broke out with, "Yeah, when my friend from HS called the other night to tell me about our 40th class reunion, I couldn't remember people's faces." I said, "Don't look at me, besides it must be your age group as your 40th isn't until next yr"????... Roll Eyes...

I will check into the Costco brand to see what they offer in the way of zinc?
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Better yet,

How much zinc is in your formula Dr. P?
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Dr.Pickart , couldn't we take high zink in time released tablets, so that it won't compete with copper on the same receptor?

Or simply take them few hours apart?
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If you take zinc and copper with foods they should both be able to get into the body.

The problem is the heavy use of zinc without additional copper. I often wonder why so many people with with very good knowledge of health issues have white hair in their 30s. I think they just take too much zinc. I am 71 and most of the hair on my head and body is still naturally black.

No one knows what the ratio of zinc to copper should be. Scientists who do research on copper usually take a supplement of 15 mgs zinc and 4 mgs copper, which I take, but even they don't know what is best.
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Thanks Dr. Pickart,

I tried to do some research on zinc & copper as supplements & see that 40 mg zinc is just too high. They say it is all about the ratio, but neither should be taken in high doses.

I will put my husband back on his old brand daily which has the recommended 15 mg zinc.

I would put him on my vitamin pack, but I think 1200 mg Calcium is too much for men which can cause prostate problems. Everything else would be about the same. I've read that no more than 800 mg calcium is recommended for men.

I see that it can get very confusing very quickly when they start talking about problem associated with too much copper vs too much zinc. The deficiency or overabundance can result in some very serious diseases & conditions. This helped a little:

[http://www.health2us.com/zn_cu.htm
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Well, I just read another report that recommends Men Over 50 take 1200 mg Calcium, the same as women. I will probably give my husband the same Vit Pack I take & supplement the Copper seperately.

This also includes 50 mg. Alpha Lipoic Acid & 50 mg CoQ-10, Lycopene & Lutein. I will seperately supplement his Saw Palmetto for prostate health.

I can't wait to break it to him that he has NOW become a "Woman over 50"... Laughing...
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