I would like to suppliment my copper peptide regemen with topical Vitamin C. But I would like to use fresh powedered vitamin C, not the stuff that has been sititng in a cream for lord knows how long. What is the difference between L-Ascrobic Acid (found in many skin creams) and plain old Ascorbic acid in my oral dietary suppliment? Thanks for any info.

Jason

By definition, vitamin C is the L form.

From Wikipedia

Ascorbic acid is a sugar acid with antioxidant properties. Its appearance is white to light-yellow crystals or powder. It is water-soluble. The L-enantiomer of ascorbic acid is commonly known as vitamin C. The name is derived from the alpha privative a- (meaning no) and scorbuticus (scurvy), the disease caused by a deficiency of vitamin C.

Thanks Dr. I have been mixing vitamin C with my copper peptides (Super CP Serum) and have been getting amazing results: i'm talking increased skin tightening, less wrinkles, smoother skin. However, I just read that CP serum should not be mixed with vitamin C. Is this true, and if so why not? Thanks very much!

When you mix copper peptides and ascorbic acid, you may generate oxygen radicals. In theory, this could damage skin.

But many of our clients have said that they use our copper peptides and vitamin C together and have beautiful skin.

The relation between oxygen radicals and skin health is much more complex than generally assumed. When dilute hydrogen peroxide (1 to 5%) is put on wounds, it accelerates wound repair. But higher concentrations (10 to 20%) inhibit wound repair. I once dug through Chemical Abstract from 1930 to 1995 to find this data. But only the inhibitory actions on healing caused by the high levels of hydrogen peroxide are in the dermatology textbooks.

For a long time, I have felt that some level of oxidation of the skin is needed to trigger good skin repair. Once we treated a patient who have lost all the skin on his foot because of recurrent infections due to poor flow flow into the foot. This required skin removal at times to stop the infection. The patient had been treated with an oxidizing agent (oxyferin - also called tetradecaoxygen). Then he was treated with GHK-Cu. This resulted in a regrowth of skin over the entire foot.

So, I think you are on the right track. But ideas like this run against current thought and are very difficult to get accepted.

What type of ascorbic acid are you using and how strong is it? Our clients might like to repeat your results.

Thanks for the reply. I am using just a powder form of L-ascrobic acid from Bulk Active's website. I use approx. a 10% concentration of vit. C. Seems to still be working, but I may just be experiencing a placebo effect.

Dr Pickart

Are you saying that l-ascorbic vitc powder and ascorbic vit c powder (as sold to consumers) are indeed the same thing? If so, why are they labelled differently?

Apologies, after re-reading your reply to jason I can see that only the l-form is vitamin c.

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Originally posted by J:
Dr Pickart

Are you saying that l-ascorbic vitc powder and ascorbic vit c powder (as sold to consumers) are indeed the same thing? If so, why are they labelled differently?

There are different forms of vitamin C ( D & L )but it is probably the L-form.