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Dear Visitors and Clients:
We would like to find out if any of you have had experiences using Hydroxy Acids and Skin Remodeling Copper-Peptides to achieve significant or noticeable tightening of the skin and how you went about achieving those results. The skin areas we are particularly interested in include: Breast Area Body Area Eye Area We have a number of clients reporting good results (usually from consistent use over a period of time). And if you have experienced the same, please let us know what products seemed to have helped you the most. Thank you & Best Wishes to All! -Skin Biology |
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I am very interested in hearing about results as well, and I hope that some response may be generated by my start, so here goes. My specific concerns have always been skin tightening as opposed to wrinkles (although I do have expression lines under my eyes), particularly in the throat and eye area and secondarily in the breast area (which is pretty good in terms of firmness, but there are stretchmarks there). I have used exfol cream and trid-red with retinol in those areas since around November 2003 very consistently, although I worked up to tri-red in the eye area, starting first with the sensitive and then the regular Night Eyes. Occasionally, I use the Super Cop Serum in the eye area, but I cannot use the Super Cop Cream there yet. Occasionally, I use the Super Cop Cream in the breast and throat areas, but I still can't seem to tolerate it spread over such relatively large areas as these. Also, I use the Squalene Oil with Retinol for general moisturizing and the Emu Oil under and around my eyes. In the last six weeks, I have added a 40% Lactic Acid Peel once a week to the regime.
After almost eight months of exclusive use of Skin Biology products, I can say that the skin around my eyes definitely has tightened as well as brightened. However, my expression lines are somewhat reddened, which accentuates them, but I am hoping that this will eventually go away. The throat area is my main concern, and that is taking longer, but there has been no further deterioration there, and the area is certainly smoother and brighter. For the breast area, there is a definite smoothness now that gives the appearance of tightening (also age spots have really noticeably lessened in the decolletage area). While I know that the goal is to work up to the Super Cop, I think that the Tri-Red and Exfol Cream works best for me at the moment b/c I can apply them liberally whereas I could not with the Super Cop. BTW, I think the Exfol Cream is really an amazing product. When I ran out of the cream, I used the Gold Exfol for a while b/c I had so much of it, and then for a while I just used the Tr-Red by itself. You can REALLY tell the difference when you consistently use the Exfol Cream. Another part of the synergy that I think is a marvel is the Emu Oil--it is the perfect eye cream, and I think is a major contributor to the improvement around my eyes. I cannot stress enough the importance of the Exfol Cream for me. It would be great if it could come in a little higher percentage of BHA, I think. |
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I forgot to add this to my previous post: In addition to my throat area appearing smoother after using exfol cream and tri-red consistently for almost 8 months, the slight stringiness that was forming at the base of my throat has lessened; also much less apparent is the "chicken-skin" texture.
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I ordered the Exfol Serum and was curious if the Exfol Cream is stronger than the serum? The Serum seems easy to use on my throat and upper chest area without using too much, only 2-3 drops is enough for me. When I re-order would I or should I bump up to the Cream if there is a difference in strength?
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I don't think there is a difference in strength but the cream has moisturizing benefits that the serum doesn't. I've used both, and I truly think that the Exfol Cream is a major player, the secret ingredient! The Exfol Serum works well under my eyes, followed by Super CP Serum, followed by Emu (not necessarily directly following, but that is the order that I use over the course of a day): this is a great combination for eye tightening that I neglected to specify in my earlier post.
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Dear Karen:
Thank you for letting us know how it's going for you so far and Skin Biology wishes you further success in the future. It seems you are off to a good start. Although this method of naturally tightening the skin using the biological compounds of hydroxy acids + Skin Remodeling Copper-Peptides does take time, the results are well worth it. We're planning to add a collection of your positive comments to our site and hope to hear from more people who have been noticing this effect. Please remember to vote on your Favorite Scent at Scents & Attraction> Rate our scented oils and Vote on our New Forum at Skin Biology Product Feedback> How do you rate our New Forum. Thank you, -Skin Biology |
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Dear Deana:
The strength of both the Exfol Cream and the Exfol Serum is the same 2% salicylic acid. Some have commented that the Exfol Cream seems more concentrate, others enjoy the Exfol Serum and say that they've had better results using the serum in certain locations. So we highly suggest trying both and then you can determine to which one does your individual skin respond to the best. Thank you, -Skin Biology |
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I'm just now learning about these products and just ordered some of the products today. I am a little confused though. Which specific products have the "Hydroxy Acids" in them? I have acne prone skin and my dermotologist has me using Panoxyl and Differin. And if my skin is oily, which moisturizers do I need? I ordered the Hyaluronic acid, but will this be enough? I also ordered CP serum, Exfol serum, Night Eyes Premier, and Trireduction cream basic. How, and in what order should I start? And should I alternate days with the Differin and the CP products?
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Dear scrappnokmom:
Thank you for posting your questions. We will try to help you understand how to get the best use out of our products. The specific products that contain hydroxy acids are: Exfol Serum and Exfol Cream (which both contain 2% beta-hydroxy: salicylic acid) and Super CP Serum and Super Cop Cream are both fortified with Hydroxy Acids also. For oily skin, if you feel you have need of a light moisturizer you may try Emu Oil-S or Squalane Oil very lightly (for more information log on to: http://www.skinbio.com/moisturizers.html) As far as alternating the days you use Differin with your Skin Biology products, that sounds like a very good idea so that you'll be able to slowly work in these products. We suggest the following (again only as a suggestion) using the products you've listed you have, you may want to try: Exfol Serum - AM CP Serum - AM TriReduction Basic - PM CP Night Eyes Premier (for eye area) - PM Use all lightly and start slowly. Best Wishes, -Skin Biology Why not vote on your experience here at our New Skin Biology Forum...Look under: Skin Biology Product Feedback/ Rate Our New Forum |
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About 4-5 weeks ago I started using trireduction cream on the underneath part of my upper arms. They were suffering from "turkey gobbler" syndrome. Pretty unattractive.
I looked in the mirror today and realized I no longer had the hanging, wrinkly skin that I did a month ago. It's amazing.... It's particularly amazing considering how little of this product I used. Perhaps twice a week for the first two weeks, then forgot about it then once a week or so for two weeks. It really is amazing. I have also had great results (will have to report back with what products I used) on losing the jowls that I had. My face and neck are definitely tighter and looking more slender. But losing the "jowls" is wonderful! On my face I was much more consistent in using the products and used exfol cream and trireduction mostly but would occassionally try CP serum or super cop. Thank you so much!! Susan |
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I think that is GREAT. I have those "bat wings" (what some people call it lol) under my arms to. I have wrinkly saggy everything everywhere lol I have used the trireduction cream with retinol twice daily every day for 2 months going on my 3rd month and I haven't seen any results at all. Maybe it's because I have been overweight my entire life and lost 80 lbs over the past 2 1/2 yrs and there is just no hope for me other than surgery. I don't know. It works for some ppl but others I guess it don't.
I am glad it worked for you though =0 Bridge =) |
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Bridge, I'll try to locate the post that lead me to skinbio.com. It was on the newsgroup: alt.support.diet.low-carb and gave directions for using the products for tightening up the skin. It can take a lot longer for some people. don't give up!
Susan |
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Found it!!
I'm cutting and pasting the message here. The original can be found in the newsgroup: alt.support.diet.low-carb. I'll always be greatful to this person for teaching me about skinbio.com. By the way congratulations on your weight loss! you've done great. I hope this works for you. I tend to run hot so wear sleeveless tops year round and i'm so pleased to not have those batwings hanging out there for everyone to see! Susan Search Result 12 From: Icrazyhorsei (icrazyhorsei@aol.com) Subject: Stretched Skin(by C!)LONG View: Complete Thread (23 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: alt.support.diet.low-carb Date: 2003-01-29 20:58:36 PST I just got a post offboard from a person who was interested in the Trireduction cream from skinbiology.com. This would be *ITEM 44* on the main order page: Trireduction Copper Peptides with Lavender and Retinol. I also saw another post regarding this Awful Problem of stretched skin and I meant to answer it but....hell, I was too lazy at the time. But both of these together made me think I should offer everyone an Update on My Belly, which y'all haven't been gifted with in, what is it now, a week? Sometimes I wish I had a picture of what I started with because aside from losing 100 pounds, what's happening around my belly button is my most amazing personal transformation ever. Ever heard the word Pannus? I had one of those, plus a belly button that stretched down to places it had no business being, bright red stretch marks -- everything and a side of horseradish. And right now..after losing weight, doing Pilates for almost six months and bombing it with the most intensively researched protocols in my personal arsenal...it's just about flat. Where I once had maybe eight inches to pinch under my belly button, I've now got exactly an inch. Where the fold was there is just the lightest crease. Stretch marks fading to little spidery white lines. it's *really working* and I have every hope it will work all the way. Do not be fooled by the Evil Plastic Surgeon. The Evil Plastic Surgeon makes a shitload of cash for every person he convinces that the knife is the only answer. Think about it, why do you believe that the only way your stretched skin is going to go away is by getting it cut off of you for twenty thousand dollars? Didya read it in a magazine, perhaps? With an authoritative quote by a renowned plastic surgeon? The truth is, you don't lose elasticity in significant enough amounts to never ever snap back until you are over *50*. If you lose a lot of weight, impatient and horrified and possibly low on muscle, you might believe you deserve to have your skin cut off because of your "past abuses", but the human body is a magical machine and it will reward you with normalcy if you treat it right. So this is what you need to do if you have the Awful Problem and yet, alas, lack the twenty thousand bucks and an interest in being surgically skinned: 1. Wait. If you've dropped a lot of poundage, wait at least a *year* at maintenance. Sometimes it's just a question of your puzzled outer layer catching up with the rest of you -- in a lot of cases that's all it takes to resolve it. 2. Build muscle. One little known fact about strength training is that it brings oxygen and tone to the area in question, correcting the flab that informs the Awful Problem. 3. Intense skin therapy. A fancy dermatologist told me once that since the miracle potions designed for facial skin were not for any other skin on the body, they would work on any other part of the body. ? So what do you have on the rest of your body? Notskin? Hide? Fur? It's all the same thing, it covers every inch of you. Therefore, potions designed to frim skin, treat scars, and improve elasticity on your face work just fine on other areas and the only real drawback to that is the cost; you're covering a little more surface area. Still, I personally guarantee that any cream you buy for your skin is going to cost less than twenty thousand dollars. Now, I am about to write out the C is for Comprehensive Belly/Skin Shrinkage System below. If you're really interested in this, could you do me a favor and save this post or remember it says by C! at the top to Google later? I really want to let people know they don't have to spend twenty thousand dollars to get their skin fixed but I get tired of typing the same thing over and over: Glycolic acid or AHA in home peel, three times a week at ten, twenty, or thirty percent. This lifts the top layer of dead surface skin and gets you closer to the place you really want to work on. Also, AHAs and BHA improve skin elasticity over time, as does all types of exfoliation. Another AHA of lesser strength ( say two percent) every day or twice a day, under a copper peptide cream of which there are about only three to choose from: Trideduction with Lavender and Retinol, item 44 on the main order page at Skinbiology.com is cheapest, and the strongest of all. This also once or twice a day. Do this for about six months and build muscle under the stretched spot for six months and see where you are. I guarantee it will be somewhere if not all the way home. Optional: Alpha Lipoic, Ester C and DMAE cream: This is a skin lifter. It works, try it on that soft spot under your arms for a couple weeks, you'll be convinced. Two companies make it in the world: Perricone has a cream for about sixty bucks a jar, Reviva Labs makes the same thing for 22. Wise Ways Herbals Beautiful Belly Balm: I'm not sure what the Garnet Gem essence it lists as an ingredient is exactly for, but the prevalent lavender essential oil is what women used to use to snap back from pregnancy before there were copper peptides. it's good, highly emollient, and cheap. Massage: Punch, pinch, whap, whatever the Awful Area in question once a day or as often as you think of it. Rub it down with a loofah, whenever you think of it. You might think this is too simplistic to be helpful, but it increases circulation and drains away lymph around the damaged area so good stuff, like blood and water and nutrients, can get to it. For women with ruined bellies from pregnancy: Pilates. it will mend the recti muscle your towhaired tot revised for you..usually in about six months if you do it regularly. So now that you have the protocol, don't wait. A C's Comprehensive Belly/Skin Shrinkage System works better and faster while you're losing weight and not six or eight months after, which is when you'll typically be vulnerable to the cry of the Evil Plastic Surgeon. One day...maybe four months from now, I am going to post a picture of my personal progress with C's System. And then I'm going to send it to every single human in America who thinks their skin isn't smarter than a doctor's knife. I really mean it. c Carpe the knife back. |
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Susan
Hey i am trying not to give up. lol I just feel so gross and when I sit down and my belly lays on my thighs or i bend over and my stomach hangs about a foot it's hard to stay positive lol I can't wear a bathing suit STILL or shorts in the summer (thank god it's winter lol) My skin on my upper thighs wrinkle across my knees and I have all kinds of wrinkles on my belly and tons of stretch marks all over. I just don't feel attractive at all. I have a real good dr. and she's very upfront and honest too. When I was 225 she flat out told me she would not do any liposuction on me because as big as I was it wouldn't help and surgery is expensive and she wanted me to be happy. I have been seeing her off and on with consults for almost 3 yrs. It's still expensive for a tummy tuck (6,000.00 includes all follow up visits for a yr, a hospital stay overnight, medication, and lab work)but still I don't have that money right now. I am impatient but on the other hand I don't want to wait for yrs and yrs using creams if they don't work. On the other hand I am willing to stick with products and not give up too. I feel like if I try every cream or lotion trying to find a miracle and it don't help then I will go ahead and have surgery. On the other hand I have looked at all the receipts I have saved just recently on all my creams and lotions and in the past yr I have spent almost enough for a down payment for surgery. I have been buying all kinds of firming creams for 2 1/2 yrs. I seem to think that my problem with my skin is because I have always been overweight. I am 31 and have been overweight since the day I was born LOL I haven't ever been thin. By the time I was 5 I was about 70 lbs. I think my skin is "different" because I have been this way my entire life. Unlike maybe someone who has just been overweight a few yrs or several yrs. I don't know if that's really it or not but I sort of feel that's why my skin is so bad. Who knows but until I find something I will just keep working and keep trying. lol I have tons of muscle and I lift weights but geeze the only way you can see it is if I flex my legs, arms or stomach a certain way because of all the dag gone excess skin. It's so frustrating but I just keep on keeping on lol Bridge =) quote: |
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Hi Bridge, Any chance your insurance co (if you have it) will pay for part of it? Or do they consider this cosmetic? You would think in a situation like this it wouldn't be "cosmetic" but I know how insurance companies are!
Susan |
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Susan,
Hey there =) Oh lord no the ins co wouldn't even dream of helping out a little tiny bit much less covering the whole thing. They consider it cosmetic. It would be nice if they would just pay a portion or half, but they don't. With some companies(I am not sure about Blue Cross and Blue Shield which is what I have) If you have so many inches or feet of hanging skin then it covers. Say you were 300 or up and lost about 100 lbs or more and if was a life or death situation that the skin was to be removed then they would pay. That's what I have heard anyway from some people, and from tv shows I have watched. I have a lot of skin, and my stomach hangs over onto my lap but it's still not enough for the ins co to even consider helping me out. I have tried the "financial aid" route of doing a surgical procedure, but they are all really screwy. They pick the drs for you at some places. At others they charge you a fee of anywhere from 500.00 to a few thousand dollars up front(then finance the rest) In the long run a 6000.00 surgery would end up costing you about 15 or 20 if you financed it through one of those plastic surgery finance things. My dr.(and her mother who works in the office taking care of the payments and hospital appointments)both told me this company I tried to go through was a rip off and when she explained it to me (because the finance company wasn't clear) I would have ended up payed almost 3 times what my dr. charges. Payments were about 300 a month too. That's just for one procedure. So, there is "help" out there if your willing to pay a whole lot more and have a huge payment every month. To me I would rather borrow the money from a credit union or bank (which is what they suggested)and pay for it myself. Eithe way though it's all hard to do and come up with the money. So, I am rubbing "green stuff" all over me praying for something to happen. lol hehehe Bridge =) quote: |
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unfortunately, I'm not surprised about the insurance company or the other company charging exorbitant interest rates. I"m sorry to hear it though.
I'll cross my fingers that the green stuff kicks in and will do the job for you!! sending positive thoughts your way! Susan |
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Hard to say if this is true or not, but this page offers an interesting perspective on the loose skin issue:
http://www.bodyfatguide.com/LooseSkin.htm |
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Hey, Thanks for the post, but I disagree with this mans point. What kind of advice is it to tell someone to "I advised her to continue losing body fat until her skin tightened up."??? To me that doesn't even sound healthy. Take myself for example....According to all the "experts" and 2 dr.s that I see regularly the healthy weight range for someone my body frame, and my age is between 120 and 130 with 130 being the most I should weigh. Anything over 130 is considered overweight and anything under 120 would be under weight. If someone kept on loosing thinking "well if I just loose more all my sagging skin will just go away" That could possibly lead to more phsycological problems, and even eating disorders I would think. I don't know I just feel the person would become more unhealthy not only physically but emotionally in the way they think also. I feel just like being over weight is unhealthy being underweight is just as unhealthy and also unattractive. So, I am not sure I agree with this guys advise. Maybe I am not understanding what he says clearly. The first thing that stuck out to me was what he told that woman that wrote in to him. It was very interesting though. Thanks again for sending it =) I really appreciate that =)
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Hey Deb, how have you been? I have been real busy lately so I haven't been on a lot. lol
I agree with you too on the article. I just thought though maybe it was me and I just took the article the wrong way or something. So, I am glad you decided to check it out and write your opinion too. lol Send me an email sometime if you want to. Bridge =) Geneslady_20000@yahoo.com quote: |
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