As to not confuse...I put "Optional" next to P & R at night...

...again, this is just "My Routine" which may guideline for others...

Since I don't have to be anywhere until later today, I am trying something I read on the SB site or the book, I forget where. Some people use Exfol or LS, then later CPs, then rotate again a couple times throughout the day.

I just applied the LS.

update 1 hr later: Just applied Super CP Serum.

1 hr later: Another go of LacSal.

Another hr passed: I applied Super CP Serum. I took a pointed toothpick, dipped it into the remaining dab of Super Cop cream that I have, and scratched in all directions on some of the worst scars. Then I applied a bit more of it and rubbed it in with my fingers.

In another hour, I am going to wash my face and do the a.m. routine (even though it's afternoon).

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Yikes!!! ...we're already on page 2....

My Red, White & Blue is comprised of:

Strawberry Jam - (from my garden)

Baked Beans - (White Soldier Beans I grew & dried from last year... 6 - 8 hrs slow cooking in my oven right now as we speak)

Blueberry Pie - Just picked from my "Wild Blueberry Fields"...

Anybody need a recipe...I'd be Happy to Share...

Summerwave,

Looks like Dr. Pickart has somehow overlooked my questions about "wait time"...- or - he may just be avoiding as to not confuse or discourage others from using his products for fear that it is too complicated...

I really only wanted to know for me????

I somehow can't help but think I may get called to his office & get either "promoted or fired"!!! he he

Hmm, I'm not going to wait between steps. The simpler and quicker the routine, the more likely I am to stick with it and get results.

I will wait after manual abrasion including rolling though, just so irritation and inflammation can trigger the rebuilding process before I calm it down with Emu.

I have been looking on Paula Begoun's website at the "Dear Paula" section, looking for other people talking about having small bumps under the skin. Here is part of what one person wrote. I could have written this myself!

I am a 26-year-old female in graduate school. I lead a very stressful life and I have aged substantially over the last three years. I still have breakouts, usually due to stress and hormones. I have these consistent small bumps in my skin so it looks rough. My pores are so huge that I can see them in a mirror standing three feet away. I also have a lot of blackheads on my chin and nose. I am starting to develop cysts around the jaw line that don’t go away. Some cysts have been around for more than a year. There is discoloration in my skin some redness around the cheeks mostly. I have tried everything: benzoyl peroxide, salicylic acid, glycolic acid, skin-care lines like Murad, Shiseido, DDF, and more. Nothing seems to work. My skin is very temperamental. I have an oily T-zone, but it dries out fast due to some harsh products that I might use or the weather. When it gets dry I’ll break out and the skin will be flaky. I don’t know what to do.

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Originally posted by stoney:
Summerwave,

Looks like Dr. Pickart has somehow overlooked my questions about "wait time"...- or - he may just be avoiding as to not confuse or discourage others from using his products for fear that it is too complicated...

I really only wanted to know for me????

I somehow can't help but think I may get called to his office & get either "promoted or fired"!!! he he

About 30 minutes is OK.

Summerwave,

I agree about the waiting when doing the rolling 100% ... I have not waited on my other products, but have still seen "Amazing Results"...remember, the CPs are much more powerful than any cosmetic that Paula Begoun is used to...

...Anyway, Is this the same "Beauty Bible" that I was referrencing back in the 90's (pre-internet)???... there are no answers there...I already searched that 12 -15 yrs ago...I have several editions...

There are "no answers" anywhere except for what I already have found out on my own at the expense of my own face...

I learned a lot from her about ingredients (what to use/what to avoid), protecting the acid mantle... which has stuck with me over the yrs...but, some of what she says is a little "antiquated" as "Peptide Technology" has come a very, very long way....

Unless, there is a new book I don't know about -I stopped looking for anwers when I really couldn't figure out the "BUMPS" by any "experts"...

I even have her "Hair Book":...figured that out a while ago!

Back then, My "Top Notch" Derm who wanted to try "Accutane" to rid the "Bumps" was just as clueless or he would have had the easy answer that I've only figured out 15 yrs later on my own again, at the costly expense of my face...

Honestly, No one really knows this or is at least "willing to admit it"...I'd like to see it in writing somewhere?????

This is where "My Passion" on this subject comes from....

Really, my "TRUE PASSION" is my Whole Foods Living & Health taken from a very simple "Back to Basics" Approach....

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Originally posted by Dr. Pickart:

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Originally posted by stoney:
Summerwave,

Looks like Dr. Pickart has somehow overlooked my questions about "wait time"...- or - he may just be avoiding as to not confuse or discourage others from using his products for fear that it is too complicated...

I really only wanted to know for me????

I somehow can't help but think I may get called to his office & get either "promoted or fired"!!! he he

About 30 minutes is OK.

Thanks Dr. Pickart...

At least I didn't get fired!!!

I don't follow Paula B. either, other than the fact that she did open my eyes to the skin care and cosmetics industry in ways that I take for granted now. But, I only posted that question above to show that others had developed hard small bumps under the skin, perhaps more BP on the attack.

Paula was a hairdresser in our local area near Seattle, "with a lot of attitude", according to my friends.

Interesting...

My theory is becoming "clearer & clearer"...

Thankfully, my skin is becoming "clearer & clearer" too .... that is soley due to Dr. Pickart's science wrapped around my "always very suspicious mind" regarding BPs...

If I had seen anything in writing about "BP BUMPS", as I call them - ( my introduction to "Proactiv" completely threw me off) - "Brilliant Advertising"! ... I would have never let it get this far!

Thanks Dr. Pickart for you years of research & discoveries!

...and Thanks for not "Firing" me...

My skin this evening looks glowy and healthy. If you read my post above, I was alternating LS and SCP serum today. This afternoon, I did my a.m. routine and then applied my Mineral Basics foundation and some cream blush. That's it! Looks pretty good. Yay!

Oh, forgot to add that I am checking in from the 4th of July get-together, lol. I couldn't resist Anyway, I noticed in my sis-in-law's bathroom, there is a Rx 5% benzoyl peroxide product! It is a cleanser, I think. I notice in certain light, you can see tons of flesh-colored little bumps all over her face. She and I aren't close enough in that way that I can just start asking her about the bumps on her face. If you know what I mean. But I wonder if she got the bumps and then asked the Dr. for an Rx or the Rx caused the bumps... But, I do know of a way to get the word to her about BP without directly saying anything to her. I can send her and my brother an email about all the dangers of BP, and when they read that, they will avoid it. I just know them well enough to know that will do the trick

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Originally posted by stoney:
Interesting...

My theory is becoming "clearer & clearer"...

Thankfully, my skin is becoming "clearer & clearer" too .... that is soley due to Dr. Pickart's science wrapped around my "always very suspicious mind" regarding BPs...

If I had seen anything in writing about "BP BUMPS", as I call them - ( my introduction to "Proactiv" completely threw me off) - "Brilliant Advertising"! ... I would have never let it get this far!

Thanks Dr. Pickart for you years of research & discoveries!

...and Thanks for not "Firing" me...

I would never fire a beautiful woman!

Oh Summerwave,

I've trained you well....these "mystery bumps" that everyone seems to have, (most you need to look very closley at their skin to even notice, are undoubetly from BPs)...

...that is how mine were to the rest of the world..."Barely Noticeable, But There"!... you would need a "Sherlock Holmes Magnifying Glass" to see them & be "slyly" looking for them to begin with!!!

Trying to get anyone (especially family) to hear you on this is tough...They will have a hard time believing you because of the advertising, same with "Chemical Sunscreens"... it goes on & on & on....

Most people won't get any of this unless they hear it on the "Nightly News" by a so-called "Official"...

I've been there too many times!!!!.... Luckily I usually manage to stay one step ahead of the game.... but, I've always have & still do, work very hard at that!

...By the time it comes out in the open, I can usually say "I told you so"... & by then everyone conveniently forgets that I tried...

You can only help the people, that want help themselves...

I feel another "Who Done It " coming on!

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Originally posted by Dr. Pickart:

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Originally posted by stoney:
Interesting...

My theory is becoming "clearer & clearer"...

Thankfully, my skin is becoming "clearer & clearer" too .... that is soley due to Dr. Pickart's science wrapped around my "always very suspicious mind" regarding BPs...

If I had seen anything in writing about "BP BUMPS", as I call them - ( my introduction to "Proactiv" completely threw me off) - "Brilliant Advertising"! ... I would have never let it get this far!

Thanks Dr. Pickart for you years of research & discoveries!

...and Thanks for not "Firing" me...

I would never fire a beautiful woman!

Oh, Dr Pickart... Now you got me blushing...

Hope you don't mind if I "cling on" to this one for awhile...I really needed that!

Thanks for understanding "My Good Nature"...

Happy 4th to everyone-

Hey SW- how did your party go?

Stoney- I saw one of those anti tobacco ads where they have 1500 people fall down at the same time in front of the tobacco headquarters and it says something like 1500 people die a day from tobacco use- How about taking a day off? I thought about you and your one woman anti bp campaign. For the longest time people didn't think smoking was harmful. And now I think the fact that they are dangerous is common knowledge. Anyway (my point) keep up the education and maybe you will help others. Who knows maybe SW's sister in law will benefit!
Have a good evening Ladies.

Hey Ophelia, I'm still at the party. Hope you have been having a nice holiday as well.

Would be nice if we could someday have a SB get-together, meet each other in person, and hang with Dr. Pickart OK, I have had a couple drinks. Will go now

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Originally posted by stoney:
Summerwave,

No, I really don't wait between LacSal & TTT...it doesn't come natural to me to clock the whole thing...

...I'm hoping Dr. Pickart doesn't "burst my bubble" by saying you need to wait to apply Emu Oil either...

It's not mentioned anyway on his website, so you must be getting some benefits or I wouldn't be as far along as I am...

stoney - if you do not allow a wait time after you apply your LacSal (or any exfoliative, for that matter), you are not getting the most benefit out of it.

You need to wait a minimum of 30 minutes, and up to an hour, after applying a AHA/BHA lotion. If you apply ANY product on top of your LacSal before the wait time is up, you will adjust the pH of the LacSal. The LacSal has a pH of around 3.2 and you skin has a pH of around 5.5. It takes about 30 minutes for the AHA/BHA to nuetralize (and return to your skin's pH) and during that time, it is doing it's exfoliating job. Anytime you put a product on top of it that raises it's pH, it will not be as effective at it's job. You are losing out on the benefit of the exfoliative.